Hallo zusammen,

Steve (der Nachfolger von Jake) hat den LA (LEGO Ambassadors) eine kleine Aufgabe mitgegeben. Es geht um Euer Feedback zu ein paar Ideen für S@H Exclusive Produkte.

Was S@H wissen will, ist was wir als LEGO Fan Community von den Ideen und Konzepten halten. Diese Konzepte wurden z. T. aufgrund von Feedback aus dem LA Kreis entwickelt. Folgende Fragen gilt es von Euch zu beantworten:

- Gefallen Dir diese Ideen?
- Was gefällt Dir an diesen Ideen?
- Was gefällt Dir an diesen Ideen nicht?
- Was sollte S@H weiter verfolgen, was eher nicht?
- Gibt etwas konkretes, was Ihr gerne innerhalb der unten genannten Kategorien sehen würdet? (z.B. Achterbahn im Bereich Freizeitpark)

Hier eine Übersicht über verschiedene Kategorien. Star Wars bleibt an dieser Stelle außen vor, hier haben die Lizengeber wohl das sagen.


+++Town/Stadt+++

- Alltägliche Gebäude im Minifig-Maßstab, z.B. Bahnhof, Büros, Geschäfte .. passend zu einer Eisenbahnanlage

-Brücken


+++World Buildings/Gebäude dieser Welt+++

-Taj Mahal

-Sydney opera house/Opernhaus in Sydney

-Empire state building


+++Vehicles/Fahrzeuge+++

-Muscle cars, hot rods

-Ferrari e.g F40, F50, specific historical race represented (historische Rennwagen)

-Classic cars


+++Aircraft/Flugzeuge+++

-Civil transport planes/zivile Flugzeuge

-Classic planes from the early days of aviation/historische Flugzeuge aus den Anfängen der Luftfahrt


+++Other Structures/Sonstiges+++

-Oil rig with functions/Ölbohrinsel mit Funktionen (Ideal bei den momentanen Benzinpreisen - förder Dein Öls selber )

-Amusement park with functioning mechanical rides/Freizeitpark mit funktionsfähigen Fahrgeschäften


Hier noch ein rechtlicher Hinweis:

Here's the legal language that I'm going to have to ask you to include with this when you put the request out to your communities.

Please be aware that your answers, feedback, ideas, concepts, know-how or
suggestions submitted in any communication which you send to the LEGO Group as
part of your this survey (?Your Material?) becomes public knowledge and,
therefore, the LEGO Group reserves the right to use Your Material, for any
purpose whatsoever, including but not limited to developing, manufacturing,
marketing and selling products using Your Material.

Ich bin kein Anwalt, aber ich würde das so verstehen, dass niemand Rechte an seinen Ideen hat, falls diese irgendwann mal von LEGO umgesetzt werden sollten. Also eine Klage auf Gewinnbeteiligung hätte wohl von Vornherein keine Chance.

Eure Meinungen bitte als Antwort auf dieses Posting, gerne auch auf Englisch, da ich kaum Zeit habe alles zu übersetzen und zurück in die E-Mailliste der LAs zu schreiben.

Danke für Eure Unterstützung!

1000grüße
HoMa




Hier noch mal das Original auf englisch:

What they would like to know now is what you guys and the community at large think of these concepts that they've developed further based on the feedback they've recieved. Do you like these concepts? What do you like about them? What do you not like about them? What should we pursue and what should we throw out? Is there anything specific that you'd like to see within the undefined categories (amusement park rides=roller coaster)?

Town

-Everyday buildings on mini fig scale, e.g railway stations, businesses to fit train displays

-Bridges

World Buildings

-Taj Mahal

-Sydney opera house

-Empire state building

Vehicles

-Muscle cars, hot rods

-Ferrari e.g F40, F50, specific historical race represented

-Classic cars

Aircraft

-Civil transport planes

-Classic planes from the early days of aviation


Other Structures

-Oil rig with functions

-Amusement park with functioning mechanical rides


Here's the legal language that I'm going to have to ask you to include with this when you put the request out to your communities.

Please be aware that your answers, feedback, ideas, concepts, know-how or
suggestions submitted in any communication which you send to the LEGO Group as
part of your this survey (?Your Material?) becomes public knowledge and,
therefore, the LEGO Group reserves the right to use Your Material, for any
purpose whatsoever, including but not limited to developing, manufacturing,
marketing and selling products using Your Material.

Re: [B]Re: Feedback zu S@H Ideen gewünscht (aus dem LEGO Ambassador Kreis)[/link] von Nautilus am 16. Februar 2006 21:39:00:


>Wie Thekla schon sagte: Wir sind hier in Deutschland. Da darf ruhig mal deutsch gesprochen werden.

Selbstverständlich, das Denglische greift eh um sich und solange man das meiste noch auf Deutsch ausdrücken kann, sollte man es tun. (Um jedem gerecht zu werden, hättest Du Deine Antwort zweisprachig abgeben können ...)

>Dennoch will ich kein Spielverderber sein.

Danke, dass Du in diesem Fall auch an mich denkst. Es ist einfach besser, wenn die Gemeinschaft die "Last" gemeinsam trägt und diejenigen, die es können, hier ihre Antworten auf Englisch abgeben. Wer das nicht kann - auch nicht schlimm, ich werde es dann übersetzen. Schließlich ist die Info nicht persönlich für mich oder Jan Beyer bestimmt. Die anderen Ambassadors (Botschafter) sammeln auch kräftig die Meinung ihrer Gemeinschaften ein.

Dir und allen anderen Ideengebern an dieser Stelle schon mal ein großes DANKESCHÖN für Eure Unterstützung!

1000grüße
HoMa

Re: [B]Feedback zu S@H Ideen gewünscht (aus dem LEGO Ambassador Kreis)[/link] von HoMa am 15. Februar 2006 22:00:42:


Hi,

Here’s my 2 cents.

----Town----
-Everyday buildings on mini fig scale, e.g railway stations, businesses to fit train displays

A definite yes. They reflect real life and are easily identifiable. The classic town sets really do transcend time and especially if you are aiming at the AFOL market, they are a sure hit. Houses, town houses, post office, petrol station, train station, supermarket, shopping centres, office blocks, shophouses, bank, a park, etc. And a farm set complete with animals and vehicles would be nice. Please try not to juniorize them ! The current fire station, for example, is nowhere near the older sets in terms of looks and functionality. Even kids know the difference. My kids prefer the older sets because they are not so simplistic and are more realistic.

-Bridges

I don’t like the idea and I can’t see how you can do it. And it has a narrow appeal. Most of the nicest modern bridges are suspension bridges and I think they would be too fragile to be a useful set. The old stone bridges are pretty boring, so not a good idea.

----World Buildings-----
-Taj Mahal
-Sydney opera house
-Empire state building

Would be nice in minifig scale. Can be then added to the town sets by the user if needed. Other buildings of interest are the Big Ben, Buckingham Palace(?), Sears Tower, Petronas Twin Towers.

----Vehicles----
-Muscle cars, hot rods
-Ferrari e.g F40, F50, specific historical race represented
-Classic cars

Definitely one to pursue. Very broad appeal. Don’t know of any male who doesn’t like vehicles. I don’t think you can go any further with Ferrari. Too many models from one manufacturer and it gets boring. Other current sports cars and 4WDs also please, doesn’t have to be a specific make. Muscle cars and hot rods : not so interesting , the ones that have come out so far like Jumping Giant don’t look appealing.
But please, do consider farm vehicles. Tractors with various attachments and combine harversters as Model Team/Designer and Technic sets. You should see the resale value of those old technic tractor sets on online auction sites. There is definitely a market for them. A heavy duty John Deere or Case type of tractor would look stunning as a Designer set. Those really big models with caterpillars or triple/quad wheels. And Technic tractor sets with pneumatics is a definite must.
Also more unusual vehicles, like record-breaking vehicles would be nice. Would love to see the Thrust SSC as a Designer model.

And a category not mentioned : SHIPS !!! Need more of them. Especially passenger ships ( like QE2 maybe ? ). Plus oil tankers, cargo ships and yachts with real cloth sails. The Americas Cup is very popular and those yachts look cool !

----Aircraft-----
-Civil transport planes
-Classic planes from the early days of aviation

Yes, they are always fascinating. How about a cargo transport plane too, like the C25 Galaxis ( I think thats the model, not sure) and the concorde ? I prefer the more modern planes but I think classic planes would find it‘s niche.


------Other Structures------
-Oil rig with functions
-Amusement park with functioning mechanical rides


Oil rig : unusual idea, if it is do-able then go ahead. But please test the models more rigorously. Those new bricks and plates that come apart more easily, wreak havoc to bigger models. They fall apart too easily and reduces playability. Same goes with the amusement park.

Regards,
Elaine

Re: [B]Feedback zu S@H Ideen gewünscht (aus dem LEGO Ambassador Kreis)[/link] von HoMa am 15. Februar 2006 22:00:42:


Hallo,

I want normal Minifigs with normal street clothes.

Re: [B]Feedback zu S@H Ideen gewünscht (aus dem LEGO Ambassador Kreis)[/link] von HoMa am 15. Februar 2006 22:00:42:


>Hallo Ambassadohr,
And here are the results from the Böhrgisch votes:
>What they would like to know now is what you guys and the community at large think of these concepts that they've developed further based on the feedback they've recieved. Do you like these concepts? What do you like about them? What do you not like about them? What should we pursue and what should we throw out? Is there anything specific that you'd like to see within the undefined categories (amusement park rides=roller coaster)?
>Town
>-Everyday buildings on mini fig scale, e.g railway stations, businesses to fit train displays
>-Bridges

Town is beside trains my second most favourite. I like buildings with a high variety in colours, bricks and accessories. However, what I don't like are buildings made purely of bricks like the 1x2x5 ones etc., since those bricks do not allow creativity nor details. Also the bulding stability decreases with such bricks. (such as 7892!!!)


>World Buildings
>-Taj Mahal
>-Sydney opera house
>-Empire state building

Those buildings are a challenge. They are not an everyday box I would buy just for filling the weekend. I would prefer also smaller famous buldings, like the Zurich clock tower.

>Vehicles
>-Muscle cars, hot rods
>-Ferrari e.g F40, F50, specific historical race represented
>-Classic cars

nothing for me, I prefer trains

>Aircraft
>-Civil transport planes
>-Classic planes from the early days of aviation

no idea, as above

>Other Structures
>-Oil rig with functions
>-Amusement park with functioning mechanical rides

Yes, like Town above.

What I am missing are those small boxes that were sold until the late 90s with small town/village objects like a small post office, postman on a bicycle, ice stand (or hot dog), garden house, telephone box...... I still remember the famous McDonalds box that was only available at S@H in the US. (3438, y1999)


>Here's the legal language that I'm going to have to ask you to include with this when you put the request out to your communities.
>Please be aware that your answers, feedback, ideas, concepts, know-how or
>suggestions submitted in any communication which you send to the LEGO Group as
>part of your this survey (?Your Material?) becomes public knowledge and,
>therefore, the LEGO Group reserves the right to use Your Material, for any
>purpose whatsoever, including but not limited to developing, manufacturing,
>marketing and selling products using Your Material.

Re: [B]Re: Feedback zu S@H Ideen[/link] von Heiner am 17. Februar 2006 13:14:31:


>>Hallo Ambassadohr,
>And here are the results from the Böhrgisch votes:
>>What they would like to know now is what you guys and the community at large think of these concepts that they've developed further based on the feedback they've recieved. Do you like these concepts? What do you like about them? What do you not like about them? What should we pursue and what should we throw out? Is there anything specific that you'd like to see within the undefined categories (amusement park rides=roller coaster)?
>>Town
>>-Everyday buildings on mini fig scale, e.g railway stations, businesses to fit train displays
>>-Bridges
>Town is beside trains my second most favourite. I like buildings with a high variety in colours, bricks and accessories. However, what I don't like are buildings made purely of bricks like the 1x2x5 ones etc., since those bricks do not allow creativity nor details. Also the bulding stability decreases with such bricks. (such as 7892!!!)
>
>>World Buildings
>>-Taj Mahal
>>-Sydney opera house
>>-Empire state building
>Those buildings are a challenge. They are not an everyday box I would buy just for filling the weekend. I would prefer also smaller famous buldings, like the Zurich clock tower.
>>Vehicles
>>-Muscle cars, hot rods
>>-Ferrari e.g F40, F50, specific historical race represented
>>-Classic cars
>nothing for me, I prefer trains
>>Aircraft
>>-Civil transport planes
>>-Classic planes from the early days of aviation
>no idea, as above
>>Other Structures
>>-Oil rig with functions
>>-Amusement park with functioning mechanical rides
>Yes, like Town above.
>What I am missing are those small boxes that were sold until the late 90s with small town/village objects like a small post office, postman on a bicycle, ice stand (or hot dog), garden house, telephone box...... I still remember the famous McDonalds box that was only available at S@H in the US. (3438, y1999)
>

Yes, those were really nice Sets !

>>Here's the legal language that I'm going to have to ask you to include with this when you put the request out to your communities.
>>Please be aware that your answers, feedback, ideas, concepts, know-how or
>>suggestions submitted in any communication which you send to the LEGO Group as
>>part of your this survey (?Your Material?) becomes public knowledge and,
>>therefore, the LEGO Group reserves the right to use Your Material, for any
>>purpose whatsoever, including but not limited to developing, manufacturing,
>>marketing and selling products using Your Material.

Re: [B]Feedback zu S@H Ideen gewünscht (aus dem LEGO Ambassador Kreis)[/link] von HoMa am 15. Februar 2006 22:00:42:


>
>+++Town/Stadt+++
>- Alltägliche Gebäude im Minifig-Maßstab, z.B. Bahnhof, Büros, Geschäfte .. passend zu einer Eisenbahnanlage

Always welcome! But they should be nicely designed and not so senseless / simple as 7892


>-Brücken

No. That's too special and has a low playability!



>+++World Buildings/Gebäude dieser Welt+++
>-Taj Mahal
>-Sydney opera house/Opernhaus in Sydney
>-Empire state building

Not my cup of tea...




>+++Vehicles/Fahrzeuge+++
>-Muscle cars, hot rods
>-Ferrari e.g F40, F50, specific historical race represented (historische Rennwagen)
>-Classic cars

Nice Idea in general, but I would only be interested in those Models if they are "technified", i.e. with working suspension, motor, doors to open,...



>+++Aircraft/Flugzeuge+++
>-Civil transport planes
>-Classic planes from the early days of aviation

If it's just a Model: No
If it's technified: Yes


>+++Other Structures/Sonstiges+++
>-Oil rig with functions/Ölbohrinsel mit Funktionen (Ideal bei den momentanen Benzinpreisen - förder Dein Öls selber )

No...


>-Amusement park with functioning mechanical rides/Freizeitpark mit funktionsfähigen Fahrgeschäften

That sounds nice!!!

I would like "real looking" but "technified" (i.e. with lots of functions) models. This can be like 8653, but a mixture of "Model Team" and "Technic" (as with 8285) would be perfect.

I would also like more different sensors for Mindstorms.


Kind regards,
Micha

Re: [B]Feedback zu S@H Ideen gewünscht (aus dem LEGO Ambassador Kreis)[/link] von HoMa am 15. Februar 2006 22:00:42:


>+++Town/Stadt+++
>- Alltägliche Gebäude im Minifig-Maßstab, z.B. Bahnhof, Büros, Geschäfte .. passend zu einer Eisenbahnanlage/// Generell sehr gute idee dann aber bitte auch zu erschwinglichen preisen und mit n paar zivilen minifigs da gibts nämlich wirklich zu wenige
>-Brücken/// kommt drauf ann was für brücken eisenbahn gibt es ab mitte des jahres ja schon eine was ich auch gut so finde
>
>+++World Buildings/Gebäude dieser Welt+++
>-Taj Mahal
>-Sydney opera house/Opernhaus in Sydney
>-Empire state building /// auch keine schlechte idee aber doch bitte dann in minifig format
>
>+++Vehicles/Fahrzeuge+++
>-Muscle cars, hot rods
>-Ferrari e.g F40, F50, specific historical race represented (historische Rennwagen)
>-Classic cars/// die idee is net aber ihr könntet ja auch mal einfach amerikanische fahrzeuge der neuzeit rausbringen ( n Lamborghini Diablo GT in minifig format wäre ma ne nette idee)
>
>+++Aircraft/Flugzeuge+++
>-Civil transport planes/zivile Flugzeuge
>-Classic planes from the early days of aviation/historische Flugzeuge aus den Anfängen der Luftfahrt/// vll ne A380?
>
>+++Other Structures/Sonstiges+++
>-Oil rig with functions/Ölbohrinsel mit Funktionen (Ideal bei den momentanen Benzinpreisen - förder Dein Öls selber )
>-Amusement park with functioning mechanical rides/Freizeitpark mit funktionsfähigen Fahrgeschäften/// lustige idee aber bitte in Basic Steinen und zu normalen preisen

Re: [B]Feedback zu S@H Ideen gewünscht (aus dem LEGO Ambassador Kreis)[/link] von HoMa am 15. Februar 2006 22:00:42:


+++Town+++
YES. I've been missing town buildings for years (or decades?). We need more supermarkets, internet cafes, restaurants, schools, museums, junkyards, gas stations, simple houses with garage and pool.

Bridges
Why not, in coherence to the "World Buildings" - Golden Gate, Brooklyn Bridge, Tower Bridge etc.

+++World Buildings+++
-Taj Mahal
Mmmh. Nice Building, but what about politically correctness? One of the easiest things to build is the Kaaba in Mekka, but think about destroying the Kaaba to build a Blacktron Cruiser in mind of Lego as a "new toy every day"...

Sydney opera house
Nice idea, with the roundings this would be an ambitious model.

Empire State Building
I like the building, but it would be boring to build. Would buy it eventually for getting bricks. Generally I'd prefer architectural more ambitious buildings like the Chrysler Building, the Guggenheim Museum or historic buildings like Abu Simbel or Versailles.

+++Vehicles+++
-Muscle cars, hot rods
YES. Give me a 1969 Dodge Challenger and I'll buy it even if it's built completely in new-gray.

Ferrari e.g F40, F50, specific historical race represented
YES. Give me a 250 GT SWB and I'll buy it even if it's built completely in new-gray. (Or Laudas 312 T as a follower of the 392 and 2556, for example)

Classic cars
YES. The Renault and Rolls-Royce from the 70's need a follower. A new Model Team range with cars like Ford T, Volkswagen Beetle, Bugatti T35, Bentley Blower (dark green / british racing green as a nice new colour!) would be nice.
What about movie cars? 1974 Dodge Monaco "Chicago Police", DeLorean, James Bond-Cars?

+++Aircraft+++
Civil transport planes
Why not? A Boeing Stratocruiser for example.

Classic planes from the early days of aviation
Not very important in my opinion. They're interesting but mostly fragile.

+++Other Structures+++
Oil rig with functions
YES. Even without functions, in Minifig scale, just as a follower of 373.

Amusement park with functioning mechanical rides
Nice idea, even without functions but in Minifig scale.

What about themes like mining, gold rush, ships? A range with buildings from Las Vegas with Light&Sound? A series with the "homes of mankind" with red wooden houses from Sweden, pile dwellings, Japanese teahouses? Just give me something from earth, no Bionicles or stupid action sceneries for re-playing stupid action scenes from the afternoon TV shows...

Gruß,
Fred / herrminator

Re: [B]Feedback zu S@H Ideen gewünscht (aus dem LEGO Ambassador Kreis)[/link] von HoMa am 15. Februar 2006 22:00:42:


Hallo.

Meine Antworten:

>What they would like to know now is what you guys and the community at large think of these concepts that they've developed further based on the feedback they've recieved. Do you like these concepts? What do you like about them? What do you not like about them? What should we pursue and what should we throw out? Is there anything specific that you'd like to see within the undefined categories (amusement park rides=roller coaster)?

>Town
>-Everyday buildings on mini fig scale, e.g railway stations, businesses to fit train displays
>-Bridges

That's what I mainly think of when I hear the name "Lego". But one aspect should be regarded: The buildings should'n be too "thin". Of course, they are opened at the back to allow children to play and see the interior. But it shouldn't become a "2D-building".

>World Buildings
>-Taj Mahal
>-Sydney opera house
>-Empire state building

Big and detailed, so I would definitely buy those sets. But please very various buildings, not just some big American skyscrapers. Suggestions: Brandenburg Gate, Moscow Kremlin (price doesn't matter, just build it and use standard bricks), the Sphinx (what a great model would that be!), the Pisa tower, Golden Gate Bridge, Big Ben and of course Taj Mahal and Sydney opera as already mentioned.

>Vehicles
>-Muscle cars, hot rods
>-Ferrari e.g F40, F50, specific historical race represented
>-Classic cars

I'd surely buy classic cars if they are in the style of the former "Model Team" –Sets. The actual Designer-Set cars aren't detailed enough for me (as AFOL). And please don't just release a new Ferrari every year. Lamborghini, Aston Martin …
But muscle cars and hot rods, I'm not interested in those models.

>Aircraft
>-Civil transport planes
>-Classic planes from the early days of aviation

A constellation, wow. But I remember the Sopwith Camel and the Red Baron. The same set, just different colors and some little changes. There must be more variety.

>Other Structures
>-Oil rig with functions
>-Amusement park with functioning mechanical rides

Well, not for me, but this are still one of those things I think of when I hear the name "lego" (as already mentioned above): a large minifig-world, that means a large "city"-theme with trains, houses, gas-stations, shopping-malls, police, harbour, and why not also oil rigs and an amusement park!?

>Here's the legal language that I'm going to have to ask you to include with this when you put the request out to your communities.
>Please be aware that your answers, feedback, ideas, concepts, know-how or
>suggestions submitted in any communication which you send to the LEGO Group as
>part of your this survey (?Your Material?) becomes public knowledge and,
>therefore, the LEGO Group reserves the right to use Your Material, for any
>purpose whatsoever, including but not limited to developing, manufacturing,
>marketing and selling products using Your Material.

Okay.


Gruß,

Carsten

Re: [B]Feedback zu S@H Ideen gewünscht (aus dem LEGO Ambassador Kreis)[/link] von HoMa am 15. Februar 2006 22:00:42:


Hi Fans,

please let me tell a little bit about 'famous world buildings'.

In fact, that's really a good idea; every young lego-builder has dreamed about such great buildings, to recreate them with Lego.

The most important question at the beginning is: what's the best scale for that? By looking at some well-known buildings you must realize, that minifig-scale is too big, for big buildings! For example: The Empire State Building would rise about 30 feet high in 1/42 scale! And that's not all; it would also be boring to build, after 16 identical floors, another 34 floors of one type and to continue with another 30 identical floors of the next type...

But to return to the good side of this idea: It would be very nice, to get a fine collection of famous landmarks in one similar scale! (not that boring effect, that every building comes along with its own scale and nothing would fit together). So, for large buildings, I'd like to recommend minifig/10 scale; that's about 1/420 scale and will allow to build nearly every famous landmark in a practicable size.
So the size of the building-sets will differ within the size of its original. So there will be also some small kits (as starters).
I think, this will get a very nice collection for all kinds of Lego-Fans; and it should sell very well (I hope so).

With friendly regards
Klaus Staaden (Seeteddy)